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  • #3496
    rpedde
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    @nooneuno wrote:

    2006-08-20 19:53:16 (b7f506c0): Serving 116420 songs.  Startup complete in 50 seconds

    Holy shiznat, batman! We have a winner!

    — Ron

    #3497
    wolfzell
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    @nooneuno wrote:

    If anyone has any tips on performance, I want to know about them. I plan to upgrade to iTunes7 tonight, but I don’t expect any improvements.

    Since you seem to be using FireFly as a media server anyway and with that many tracks and performance trouble, I propose you might want to give MediaMonkey a try instead of iTunes:

    http://www.mediamonkey.com

    Oh, almost forgot to stay on topic: 12582 legal tracks.

    bye
    Wolfgang

    #3498
    [email protected]
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    @wolfzell wrote:

    I propose you might want to give MediaMonkey a try instead of iTunes:

    http://www.mediamonkey.com

    Look v.interesting – thanks for the link 😉

    [Oh… a meagre 5278 tracks so far]

    #3499
    nooneuno
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    @wolfzell wrote:

    Since you seem to be using FireFly as a media server anyway and with that many tracks and performance trouble, I propose you might want to give MediaMonkey a try instead of iTunes:

    http://www.mediamonkey.com

    Oh, almost forgot to stay on topic: 12582 legal tracks.

    bye
    Wolfgang

    I tried MediaMonkey. It burnt to a crisp. iTunes bogs down at about 20-30K tracks, and MediaMonkey did better at about 60K, but nothing seems to work. I’ve used http://www.ampache.org with great success but the interface is sorely lacking. I’ve also tried Jinzora but it implodes with only about 5-10K tracks and after that is completely unusable.

    I’ve tried Google Desktop Search with the MP3 plugin (not very useful). Really there is nothing out there that can handle the number of tracks efficiently. I have to wait for 60GB iPod’s to be the standard and 50K+ tracks become the norm before I’ll see any improvement I guess. The new iTunes 7 made no difference, but at least I am not seeing the bugs others have reported.

    UPDATE:
    Maybe I don’t follow your comment about mediamonkey? Is there a way to use mediamonkey with the Firefly server?

    #3500
    wolfzell
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    @nooneuno wrote:

    I tried MediaMonkey. It burnt to a crisp.

    Sorry? What do you mean?

    iTunes bogs down at about 20-30K tracks, and MediaMonkey did better at about 60K, but nothing seems to work.

    What do you mean with “nothing seems to work”? I am using MM since 2 years now and although there are bugs in it like in any other program of comparable complexity, I never had any serious problems with the non-beta versions. And if you encounter a real bug, you just do a debug log and normally the programmers take care of it rather fast.

    Really there is nothing out there that can handle the number of tracks efficiently.

    What kind of “handling” do you expect? Maybe we are just talking about different things.

    UPDATE:
    Maybe I don’t follow your comment about mediamonkey? Is there a way to use mediamonkey with the Firefly server?

    What I meant is that you can manage your huge library with MM, I don’t know any better and faster program for library management than MM. But MM is no mediaserver. Here is where FireFly comes in. On my XP machine, FF handles my 12500 tracks (11800 Flac, rest MP3) very well. Only on my NSLU there are some problems sometimes.

    bye
    Wolfgang

    #3501
    nooneuno
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    By “burnt to a crisp”, I mean that mediamonkey bogs down after about 60K tracks or so. By bogs down, I mean it takes multiple seconds per keypress when searching for tracks or artists or what-have-you. this is the same issue with iTunes. No system I know of can handle the large amount of metadata that is generated by having so many tracks.

    For now, I have split my library into 5 chunks with mt-daapd and that has acceptable performance in iTunes.

    I *do* really like MediaMonkey for tagging, etc., and I continue to keep it around.

    #3502
    wolfzell
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    @nooneuno wrote:

    By “burnt to a crisp”, I mean that mediamonkey bogs down after about 60K tracks or so. By bogs down, I mean it takes multiple seconds per keypress when searching for tracks or artists or what-have-you.

    Thanks for explaining. I am no native english speaker, so sometimes I have to ask.

    I don’t know if it is possible at all to find anything faster than MediaMonkey for that purposes. MM’s database part is based on MS Access and for complex hierarchic data I don’t know of any database system that is faster when used properly, even with a lot more than 60k entries.

    Actually I find the speed with my amount of tracks already amazing. MM does a within-search in realtime, while you are typing in the search keywords. Delays of around 1 second until the answer table is appearing. And with that amount of data, a within search and building the tables for the answers simply does take some time.

    I mean, for a really bad example how to do it, have a look at MusicMatch. With 4000 tracks, search times go up to minutes almost regardless of system performance! So some seconds with 60k tracks on a 1,8 GHz machine with only 512 MB RAM is rather good in my eyes.

    So I guess the best you can do is to boost your systems performance in processor speed and memory according to the amount of data you are processing.

    Just looked up your system configuration. 512 MB RAM? I guess you start upgrading here and add another 512 MB. I guess that will help a lot.

    My 12500 tracks have a database that is 20 MB big. So 60k tracks will have 100 MB data. Add the RAM amount needed to keep the data in memory necessary for processing and you might very well end up with much more. So you better make absolutely sure, you have enough RAM so the Access database structure can be cached in RAM completely. Windows will still swap, but I believe performance will be a lot better with more RAM in your case.

    bye
    Wolfgang

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