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  • #2222

    Anonymous

    Hello,

    first of all thank you for your effort creating this great piece of software.

    I have used the stable release for a long time now and the only thing that was missing for me was the possibility to use ogg.

    Therefore I followed the instructions under:
    http://wiki.dns323.info/howto:chroot_debian
    and
    http://wiki.dns323.info/howto:firefly

    I am using
    – Soundbridge Home Music
    – DLink DNS323 – current Firmware 1.04
    – a bootstrapped, fully updated Debian Etch in the folder /mnt/HD_a2/etch/
    – mt-daapd-svn-1586, as (probably) the best tradeoff between stability and new features.

    I can succesfully compile the program using the following command:


    ./configure --enable-sqlite

    But – as mentioned above – I would like to have OGG support (and also FLAC later on) also inside.

    Therefore I have installed a few extra packages:


    apt-get install libogg0 (please note the "0" at the end)
    apt-get install flac
    apt-get install ffmpeg

    When I know run


    ./configure --enable-sqlite --enable-oggvorbis

    Then I get the following error message:


    configure: error: ogg/ogg.h not found... Must have libogg installed for Ogg/Vorbis support

    So there i a package called “libogg” that is expected during the compiling-process, and a package called “libogg0” that etch is providing.

    How can I get around this issue with the “0”?

    Kind regards

    rori

    #16330

    rpedde
    Participant

    @rori wrote:

    Hello,

    first of all thank you for your effort creating this great piece of software.

    I have used the stable release for a long time now and the only thing that was missing for me was the possibility to use ogg.

    Therefore I followed the instructions under:
    http://wiki.dns323.info/howto:chroot_debian
    and
    http://wiki.dns323.info/howto:firefly

    I am using
    – Soundbridge Home Music
    – DLink DNS323 – current Firmware 1.04
    – a bootstrapped, fully updated Debian Etch in the folder /mnt/HD_a2/etch/
    – mt-daapd-svn-1586, as (probably) the best tradeoff between stability and new features.

    I can succesfully compile the program using the following command:


    ./configure --enable-sqlite

    But – as mentioned above – I would like to have OGG support (and also FLAC later on) also inside.

    Therefore I have installed a few extra packages:


    apt-get install libogg0 (please note the "0" at the end)
    apt-get install flac
    apt-get install ffmpeg

    When I know run


    ./configure --enable-sqlite --enable-oggvorbis

    Then I get the following error message:


    configure: error: ogg/ogg.h not found... Must have libogg installed for Ogg/Vorbis support

    So there i a package called “libogg” that is expected during the compiling-process, and a package called “libogg0” that etch is providing.

    How can I get around this issue with the “0”?

    Kind regards

    rori

    You need the “dev” packages as well… I think the packages I need (from memory) are:

    libogg-dev
    libogg0
    libflac-dev
    libflac7
    libvorbis-dev
    libvorbisfile3
    libid3tag0
    libid3tag0-dev
    libsqlite0-dev & libsqlite0 OR libsqlite3-dev & libsqlite3

    The last depending on whether you use –enable-sqlite or –enable-sqlite3. (I’d recommend libsqlite3)

    ymmv, but that should do it, I think.

    – Ron

    #16331

    Anonymous

    Thanks for the hints.

    I managed to make install after compiling.

    Unfortunaltely, no database was created and the programm stopped.

    I manually created an (empty) file so that it could be opened.

    nano /usr/local/var/cache/mt-daapd/songs3.db

    When I read the output in the right way, the database is re-initialized, but somehow this in not succesfull due to read-only access.

    Here is the output:

    [email protected]:/usr/local/var/cache/mt-daapd# ls -l
    total 0
    -rwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 0 Feb 14 10:37 songs3.db

    [email protected]:/usr/local/sbin# ./mt-daapd -f -d9 -Ddatabase
    Debug mask is 0x80000004
    Firefly Version svn-1586: Starting with debuglevel 9
    Plugin loaded: ssc-script/svn-1586
    Plugin loaded: rsp/svn-1586
    Plugin loaded: daap/svn-1586
    Starting rendezvous daemon
    Starting signal handler
    Opening database
    Executing: select value from config where term='version'
    Error: enum_begin failed (error 1): Misc SQL Error: no such table: config
    Can't get db version. New database?
    Results: 0
    Initializing database
    Executing: select count(*) FROM songs
    Error: enum_begin failed (error 1): ?
    Executing: select value from config where term='rescan'
    Error: enum_begin failed (error 1): ?
    Full reload...
    Executing: drop index idx_path
    Query: drop index idx_path
    Error: no such index: idx_path
    Executing: drop index idx_songid
    Query: drop index idx_songid
    Error: no such index: idx_songid
    Executing: drop index idx_playlistid
    Query: drop index idx_playlistid
    Error: no such index: idx_playlistid
    Executing: drop table songs
    Query: drop table songs
    Error: no such table: songs
    Executing: delete from playlists where not type=1 and not type=0
    Query: delete from playlists where not type=1 and not type=0
    Error: no such table: playlists
    Executing: drop table playlistitems
    Query: drop table playlistitems
    Error: no such table: playlistitems
    Executing: drop table config
    Query: drop table config
    Error: no such table: config
    Executing: vacuum
    Query: vacuum
    Error: SQL logic error or missing database
    Executing: create table songs (
    id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY NOT NULL,
    path VARCHAR(4096) NOT NULL,
    fname VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,
    title VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    artist VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    album VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    genre VARCHAR(255) DEFAULT NULL,
    comment VARCHAR(4096) DEFAULT NULL,
    type VARCHAR(255) DEFAULT NULL,
    composer VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    orchestra VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    conductor VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    grouping VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    url VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    bitrate INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    samplerate INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    song_length INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    file_size INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    year INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    track INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    total_tracks INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    disc INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    total_discs INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    bpm INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    compilation INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    rating INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    play_count INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    data_kind INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    item_kind INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    description INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    time_added INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    time_modified INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    time_played INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    db_timestamp INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    disabled INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    sample_count INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    force_update INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    codectype VARCHAR(5) DEFAULT NULL,
    idx INTEGER NOT NULL,
    has_video INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    contentrating INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    bits_per_sample INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    album_artist VARCHAR(1024)
    );
    create table playlistitems (
    id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY NOT NULL,
    playlistid INTEGER NOT NULL,
    songid INTEGER NOT NULL
    );
    create table config (
    term VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,
    subterm VARCHAR(255) DEFAULT NULL,
    value VARCHAR(1024) NOT NULL
    );
    insert into config values ('version','','13');

    Query: create table songs (
    id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY NOT NULL,
    path VARCHAR(4096) NOT NULL,
    fname VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,
    title VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    artist VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    album VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    genre VARCHAR(255) DEFAULT NULL,
    comment VARCHAR(4096) DEFAULT NULL,
    type VARCHAR(255) DEFAULT NULL,
    composer VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    orchestra VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    conductor VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    grouping VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    url VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    bitrate INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    samplerate INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    song_length INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    file_size INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    year INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    track INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    total_tracks INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    disc INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    total_discs INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    bpm INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    compilation INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    rating INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    play_count INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    data_kind INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    item_kind INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    description INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    time_added INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    time_modified INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    time_played INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    db_timestamp INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    disabled INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    sample_count INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    force_update INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    codectype VARCHAR(5) DEFAULT NULL,
    idx INTEGER NOT NULL,
    has_video INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    contentrating INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    bits_per_sample INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    album_artist VARCHAR(1024)
    );
    create table playlistitems (
    id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY NOT NULL,
    playlistid INTEGER NOT NULL,
    songid INTEGER NOT NULL
    );
    create table config (
    term VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,
    subterm VARCHAR(255) DEFAULT NULL,
    value VARCHAR(1024) NOT NULL
    );
    insert into config values ('version','','13');

    Error: attempt to write a readonly database
    Executing: create table playlists (
    id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY NOT NULL,
    title VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,
    type INTEGER NOT NULL,
    items INTEGER NOT NULL,
    query VARCHAR(1024),
    db_timestamp INTEGER NOT NULL,
    path VARCHAR(4096),
    idx INTEGER NOT NULL
    );
    insert into playlists values (1,'Library',1,0,'1',0,'',0);

    Query: create table playlists (
    id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY NOT NULL,
    title VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,
    type INTEGER NOT NULL,
    items INTEGER NOT NULL,
    query VARCHAR(1024),
    db_timestamp INTEGER NOT NULL,
    path VARCHAR(4096),
    idx INTEGER NOT NULL
    );
    insert into playlists values (1,'Library',1,0,'1',0,'',0);

    Error: attempt to write a readonly database

    Starting web server from /usr/local/share/mt-daapd/admin-root on port 3689
    Registering rendezvous names
    Executing: select count(*) FROM songs
    Error: enum_begin failed (error 1): Misc SQL Error: no such table: songs
    Error getting song count: Misc SQL Error: no such table: songs
    Aborting
    [email protected]:/usr/local/sbin# Rendezvous socket closed (daap server crashed?) Aborting.
    Aborting

    I tried to


    [email protected]:/usr/local/var/cache/mt-daapd# chmod 777 songs3.db

    giving me this here:


    [email protected]:/usr/local/var/cache/mt-daapd# ls -l
    total 0
    -rwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 0 Feb 14 10:37 songs3.db

    Even with this, still no success:


    [email protected]:/usr/local/var/cache/mt-daapd# /usr/local/sbin/mt-daapd -f -d9
    Got general/web_root, convert to general/web_root (/usr/local/share/mt-daapd/admin-root)
    Found existing section
    Got general/port, convert to general/port (3689)
    Found existing section
    Got general/admin_pw, convert to general/admin_pw (mt-daapd)
    Found existing section
    Got general/db_type, convert to general/db_type (sqlite3)
    Found existing section
    Got general/db_parms, convert to general/db_parms (/usr/local/var/cache/mt-daapd)
    Found existing section
    Got general/mp3_dir, convert to general/mp3_dir (/mnt/mp3)
    Found existing section
    Found 1 tokens in /mnt/mp3
    Token 1: /mnt/mp3
    Got general/servername, convert to general/servername (Firefly %v on %h)
    Found existing section
    Got general/runas, convert to general/runas (nobody)
    Found existing section
    Got general/playlist, convert to general/playlist (/usr/local/etc/mt-daapd.playlist)
    Found existing section
    Got general/extensions, convert to general/extensions (.mp3,.m4a,.m4p)
    Found existing section
    Got general/ssc_codectypes, convert to general/ssc_codectypes (ogg,flac,alac)
    Found existing section
    Got general/ssc_prog, convert to general/ssc_prog (/usr/local/bin/mt-daapd-ssc.sh)
    Found existing section
    Expanding precomments to 2048
    Expanding precomments to 4096
    Got general/scan_type, convert to general/scan_type (2)
    Found existing section
    Got plugins/plugin_dir, convert to plugins/plugin_dir (/usr/local/share/mt-daapd/plugins)
    Found existing section
    Checking existence of /usr/local/share/mt-daapd/admin-root
    Checking existence of /usr/local/share/mt-daapd/admin-root
    Checking existence of /usr/local/var/cache/mt-daapd
    Checking existence of /usr/local/var/cache/mt-daapd
    Checking existence of /usr/local/share/mt-daapd/plugins
    Checking existence of /usr/local/share/mt-daapd/plugins
    Loading new config file.
    Firefly Version svn-1586: Starting with debuglevel 9
    Attempting to load plugin /usr/local/share/mt-daapd/plugins/out-daap.so
    Loaded plugin /usr/local/share/mt-daapd/plugins/out-daap.so (daap/svn-1586)
    New transcode codec list:
    Attempting to load plugin /usr/local/share/mt-daapd/plugins/rsp.so
    Loaded plugin /usr/local/share/mt-daapd/plugins/rsp.so (rsp/svn-1586)
    New transcode codec list:
    Attempting to load plugin /usr/local/share/mt-daapd/plugins/ssc-script.so
    Loaded plugin /usr/local/share/mt-daapd/plugins/ssc-script.so (ssc-script/svn-1586)
    New transcode codec list: ogg,flac,alac
    Plugin loaded: ssc-script/svn-1586
    Plugin loaded: rsp/svn-1586
    Plugin loaded: daap/svn-1586
    Starting rendezvous daemon
    select(6, 0.000976)
    Starting signal handler
    Opening database
    select(6, 0.226562)
    Executing: select value from config where term='version'
    Error: enum_begin failed (error 1): Misc SQL Error: no such table: config
    Can't get db version. New database?
    Results: 0
    Initializing database
    Executing: select count(*) FROM songs
    Error: enum_begin failed (error 1): ?
    Executing: select value from config where term='rescan'
    Error: enum_begin failed (error 1): ?
    Full reload...
    Executing: drop index idx_path
    Query: drop index idx_path
    Error: no such index: idx_path
    Executing: drop index idx_songid
    Query: drop index idx_songid
    Error: no such index: idx_songid
    Executing: drop index idx_playlistid
    Query: drop index idx_playlistid
    Error: no such index: idx_playlistid
    Executing: drop table songs
    Query: drop table songs
    Error: no such table: songs
    Executing: delete from playlists where not type=1 and not type=0
    Query: delete from playlists where not type=1 and not type=0
    Error: no such table: playlists
    Executing: drop table playlistitems
    Query: drop table playlistitems
    Error: no such table: playlistitems
    Executing: drop table config
    Query: drop table config
    Error: no such table: config
    Executing: vacuum
    Query: vacuum
    Error: SQL logic error or missing database
    Executing: create table songs (
    id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY NOT NULL,
    path VARCHAR(4096) NOT NULL,
    fname VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,
    title VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    artist VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    album VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    genre VARCHAR(255) DEFAULT NULL,
    comment VARCHAR(4096) DEFAULT NULL,
    type VARCHAR(255) DEFAULT NULL,
    composer VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    orchestra VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    conductor VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    grouping VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    url VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    bitrate INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    samplerate INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    song_length INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    file_size INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    year INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    track INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    total_tracks INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    disc INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    total_discs INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    bpm INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    compilation INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    rating INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    play_count INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    data_kind INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    item_kind INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    description INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    time_added INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    time_modified INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    time_played INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    db_timestamp INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    disabled INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    sample_count INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    force_update INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    codectype VARCHAR(5) DEFAULT NULL,
    idx INTEGER NOT NULL,
    has_video INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    contentrating INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    bits_per_sample INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    album_artist VARCHAR(1024)
    );
    create table playlistitems (
    id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY NOT NULL,
    playlistid INTEGER NOT NULL,
    songid INTEGER NOT NULL
    );
    create table config (
    term VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,
    subterm VARCHAR(255) DEFAULT NULL,
    value VARCHAR(1024) NOT NULL
    );
    insert into config values ('version','','13');

    Query: create table songs (
    id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY NOT NULL,
    path VARCHAR(4096) NOT NULL,
    fname VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,
    title VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    artist VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    album VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    genre VARCHAR(255) DEFAULT NULL,
    comment VARCHAR(4096) DEFAULT NULL,
    type VARCHAR(255) DEFAULT NULL,
    composer VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    orchestra VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    conductor VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    grouping VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    url VARCHAR(1024) DEFAULT NULL,
    bitrate INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    samplerate INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    song_length INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    file_size INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    year INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    track INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    total_tracks INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    disc INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    total_discs INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    bpm INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    compilation INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    rating INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    play_count INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    data_kind INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    item_kind INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    description INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    time_added INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    time_modified INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    time_played INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    db_timestamp INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    disabled INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    sample_count INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    force_update INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    codectype VARCHAR(5) DEFAULT NULL,
    idx INTEGER NOT NULL,
    has_video INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    contentrating INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    bits_per_sample INTEGER DEFAULT 0,
    album_artist VARCHAR(1024)
    );
    create table playlistitems (
    id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY NOT NULL,
    playlistid INTEGER NOT NULL,
    songid INTEGER NOT NULL
    );
    create table config (
    term VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,
    subterm VARCHAR(255) DEFAULT NULL,
    value VARCHAR(1024) NOT NULL
    );
    insert into config values ('version','','13');

    Error: unable to open database file
    Executing: create table playlists (
    id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY NOT NULL,
    title VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,
    type INTEGER NOT NULL,
    items INTEGER NOT NULL,
    query VARCHAR(1024),
    db_timestamp INTEGER NOT NULL,
    path VARCHAR(4096),
    idx INTEGER NOT NULL
    );
    insert into playlists values (1,'Library',1,0,'1',0,'',0);

    Query: create table playlists (
    id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY NOT NULL,
    title VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,
    type INTEGER NOT NULL,
    items INTEGER NOT NULL,
    query VARCHAR(1024),
    db_timestamp INTEGER NOT NULL,
    path VARCHAR(4096),
    idx INTEGER NOT NULL
    );
    insert into playlists values (1,'Library',1,0,'1',0,'',0);

    Error: unable to open database file
    Starting web server from /usr/local/share/mt-daapd/admin-root on port 3689
    Listening on port 3689
    Starting server thread
    Registering rendezvous names
    Processing rendezvous message
    Registering Firefly svn-1586 on fatboyslim._http._tcp (3689)
    Registered service 0, name 'Firefly svn-1586 on fatboyslim', type '_http._tcp', domain 'local.', port 3689
    select(6, 0.173828)
    Checking ssc-script/svn-1586
    Checking rsp/svn-1586
    Registering _rsp._tcp
    Processing rendezvous message
    Registering Firefly svn-1586 on fatboyslim._rsp._tcp (3689)
    Registered service 1, name 'Firefly svn-1586 on fatboyslim', type '_rsp._tcp', domain 'local.', port 3689
    select(6, 0.169921)
    Checking daap/svn-1586
    Registering _daap._tcp
    Processing rendezvous message
    Registering Firefly svn-1586 on fatboyslim._daap._tcp (3689)
    Registered service 2, name 'Firefly svn-1586 on fatboyslim', type '_daap._tcp', domain 'local.', port 3689
    select(6, 0.166015)
    Executing: select count(*) FROM songs
    Error: enum_begin failed (error 1): Misc SQL Error: no such table: songs
    Error getting song count: Misc SQL Error: no such table: songs
    Aborting
    [email protected]:/usr/local/var/cache/mt-daapd# Processing rendezvous message
    Rendezvous socket closed (daap server crashed?) Aborting.
    Aborting

    Hope you have a good hint for me how to initialize the empty database???

    #16332

    Anonymous

    mmmh. its regarding the user rights….

    If I change the runasuser in the configfile to “root” the database is build correctly.

    Strange to me that the chmod 777 did not do it’s job ???

    #16333

    rpedde
    Participant

    @rori wrote:

    mmmh. its regarding the user rights….

    If I change the runasuser in the configfile to “root” the database is build correctly.

    Strange to me that the chmod 777 did not do it’s job ???

    The whole directory needs to be writable by the “runas” user. not to mention that if you ran it as root to test, then the db will likely be created root:root, with a restrictive umask, so you’ll have to re-chmod the db after you run it in test as root.

    So in summary: check the permissions on the containing directory.

    — Ron

    #16334

    Anonymous

    Okay, now I took a different approach:

    I used fonz’s plugin 0.5 according to this manual:

    http://forum.dsmg600.info/viewtopic.php?pid=12972#p12972

    OGG-transcoding runs smoothly

    In the browser window, the song count always stops at 9999 songs (there are more…)

    How can I debug this?

    Any ideas?

    R

    #16335

    Anonymous

    the problem has been solved and can be vieved under the link above. Im nnot sure wheather this solution is good enough to be put into the Wiki ???

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