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  • #1663

    Kato
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    Can I Run Firefly on a Windows 98 machine?

    I’m asking because I have an old Win 98 beater and would like to set it up as a music server that would be on 24/7.

    Just wondering before I go our and buy one of those cheapo Dell machines for $300 …

    #12218

    fizze
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    Well, as if Win98 could do 24/7 πŸ˜‰

    I am not sure wether its got all those requirements, but I guess it should be possible. Especially with all the win32 work that Ron has put in.

    Anyway, power-wise it might be cheaper to get a lean-mean machine or a NAS that really runs 24/7. Those PCs chew up a lot of power, over time.

    #12219

    Kato
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    @fizze wrote:

    Well, as if Win98 could do 24/7 πŸ˜‰

    I am not sure wether its got all those requirements, but I guess it should be possible. Especially with all the win32 work that Ron has put in.

    Anyway, power-wise it might be cheaper to get a lean-mean machine or a NAS that really runs 24/7. Those PCs chew up a lot of power, over time.

    What do you mean by “Lean-mean machine”, & “NAS”?

    Sorry if these seem like silly questions but I am a novice at this …

    #12220

    Kato
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    NAS – Network attached storage…

    Just Googled it.

    Can a NAS run the Firefly server? If so what brand should I buy and from where? (I am in Canada)

    My music consumes 35GB so I don’t need alot of space.

    I am running WIN XP.

    Cheers,
    Kato

    #12221

    fizze
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    This Forum houses all the information you need. You’re welcome to use the search functionality.

    Yes, there are plenty of NAS devices that are capable of running firefly. And they’re quite good at it, too. πŸ™‚

    #12222

    Kato
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    @fizze wrote:

    This Forum houses all the information you need. You’re welcome to use the search functionality.

    Yes, there are plenty of NAS devices that are capable of running firefly. And they’re quite good at it, too. πŸ™‚

    I did some preliminary searching and it looks like the Linksys NSLU2 is a popular choice.

    I tried checking it out on firefly wiki but all I’m getting is computer garble. Must be down.

    http://wiki.fireflymediaserver.org/NSLU2_Installation

    How easy is this one to set up? And how reliable is it?

    Also – from the reviews it looks like I’ll have to reformat my USB2.0 External drives to FAT32 for them to work properly?

    #12223

    rpedde
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    @kato wrote:

    @fizze wrote:

    This Forum houses all the information you need. You’re welcome to use the search functionality.

    Yes, there are plenty of NAS devices that are capable of running firefly. And they’re quite good at it, too. πŸ™‚

    I did some preliminary searching and it looks like the Linksys NSLU2 is a popular choice.

    I tried checking it out on firefly wiki but all I’m getting is computer garble. Must be down.

    http://wiki.fireflymediaserver.org/NSLU2_Installation

    How easy is this one to set up? And how reliable is it?

    Also – from the reviews it looks like I’ll have to reformat my USB2.0 External drives to FAT32 for them to work properly?

    Sorry… it’s up now. I upgraded to “etch” from “sarge” and thought I remembered to check everything… obviously not. πŸ™‚

    With the nslu2, you do well to format it the way the nslu2 wants to — to ext3. You can use ntfs or something else, but performance is hideous.

    As far as the process, it’s really well documented, and there are jillions of people here who have done it that can give pointers and advise.

    — Ron

    #12224

    Kato
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    @rpedde wrote:

    ….With the nslu2, you do well to format it the way the nslu2 wants to — to ext3. You can use ntfs or something else, but performance is hideous.

    As far as the process, it’s really well documented, and there are jillions of people here who have done it that can give pointers and advise.

    — Ron

    Great!

    I’m ordering one today.

    Not bad for $99. And I have two external USB 2.0 drives I’ve pickup up over the years.

    One is 80GB, the other is 250GB.

    I’ll format the 80GB using ‘ext3’. I’ve never used that system before. Anything to be aware of? My Win XP machine won’t exlode trying to access it?:)

    #12225

    Kato
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    I’ve placed my order! πŸ˜€

    Now I’m checking out my hard drive.

    I don’t think that it supports auto spin down. (It’s old)

    It’s a Western Digital WD800B008-RNQ

    http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1045

    Anyone use this one w/ a slug?

    #12226

    Kato
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    Ron

    It seems that my external hard drive does have a “spin down & stop” utility available from Western Digital. It looks software driven for all Windows platforms.

    http://support.wdc.com/download/index.asp?cxml=n&pid=11&swid=17

    Based on this I’m assuming that I’ll have to try Method 3, using scsi-idle once I get my slug?

    Again – anyone successful in spinning down one of these WD800B008 series drives?

    Thanks, and sorry for all of the questions. This is very new to me.

    Once I get the slug and start preparation I will start a new thread.

    Please be nice … πŸ˜₯

    #12227

    rpedde
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    @kato wrote:

    Ron

    It seems that my external hard drive does have a “spin down & stop” utility available from Western Digital. It looks software driven for all Windows platforms.

    http://support.wdc.com/download/index.asp?cxml=n&pid=11&swid=17

    Based on this I’m assuming that I’ll have to try Method 3, using scsi-idle once I get my slug?

    Again – anyone successful in spinning down one of these WD800B008 series drives?

    Thanks, and sorry for all of the questions. This is very new to me.

    Once I get the slug and start preparation I will start a new thread.

    Please be nice … πŸ˜₯

    I’ve had okay luck with tool to set hard drive settings while attached to a windows/dos machine, then putting it back in the usb carrier and attaching it. Once they are set on the windows side, the settings persist and work okay on the linux side. Or so my experience with ibm/hitachi drives.

    As far as accessing ext3 from XP, typically you leave the drive attached ot the slug and access the files from across the network, which makes the underlying file system invisible to xp.

    If you were to disconnect the drive and attach it to XP, you’d find you couldn’t access the file system unless you loaded ext3 drivers. I think there are probably several different drivers poking around on the net.

    But I’ve never removed the drive from any of mine — I access all the data remotely.

    — Ron

    #12228

    fizze
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    Ok, 80G ext3 sounds fair, and Id also use this drive to store all the data.

    If you _must_ _have_ another external drive that has to be accesible from windows PCs, too, then do not format it with NTFS, but use FAT32 instead.
    NTFS is really hideous on the slug and causes it to become unstable and constantly crashing.

    Fat32 is well supported though, the only caveat is no files >2GB are possible.

    #12229

    Kato
    Participant

    @rpedde wrote:

    I’ve had okay luck with tool to set hard drive settings while attached to a windows/dos machine, then putting it back in the usb carrier and attaching it. Once they are set on the windows side, the settings persist and work okay on the linux side. Or so my experience with ibm/hitachi drives.

    As far as accessing ext3 from XP, typically you leave the drive attached ot the slug and access the files from across the network, which makes the underlying file system invisible to xp.

    If you were to disconnect the drive and attach it to XP, you’d find you couldn’t access the file system unless you loaded ext3 drivers. I think there are probably several different drivers poking around on the net.

    But I’ve never removed the drive from any of mine — I access all the data remotely.

    — Ron

    Perhaps I’ll try setting it with the tools and see what happens.

    If I decide to just use the HDD in port1 will the spin down function be necessary (or work at all)? Or is it a function of how often firefly will scan the music database?

    As far as accessing the files – as long as I can connect over the network with no problems I’ll be fine.

    Thanks for the help.

    #12230

    Kato
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    @fizze wrote:

    Ok, 80G ext3 sounds fair, and Id also use this drive to store all the data.

    If you _must_ _have_ another external drive that has to be accesible from windows PCs, too, then do not format it with NTFS, but use FAT32 instead.
    NTFS is really hideous on the slug and causes it to become unstable and constantly crashing.

    Fat32 is well supported though, the only caveat is no files >2GB are possible.

    Ok .. great!

    I found out about the FAT32 thing a couple years back when I was video editing. I had files in the 12GB range and tried to save them to my pre-formatted ACOMDATA external drive. They wouldn’t take. After about half an hour I realized it was FAT32 pre-formatted after some reading. That’s interesting though – the industry must realize these problems with NTFS if they ship their drives FAT32 formatted …

    Cheers,
    Kato

    #12231

    fizze
    Participant

    Yup, network access is, after all, what the NSLU2 has been designed for πŸ™‚

    Just be aware that the performance is about 2 – 4 MB / sec.
    So if you have to copy lots and lots of data (like the music collection) You either have a lot of time on your hands, or you find a way to attach it to your PC and copy it directly to USB.

    I had some troubles with the drivers from fs-drivers.org, so I just bootet my PC from a Ubuntu CD and copied over. worked like a charm. πŸ™‚

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